Selling both mid to late 19th century. I've seen these called civil war Inkwells, heard they've been dug at battle fields. I don't know about all that, but they are 19th century for sure. One is Russian, the other unmarked. Both sprigs, clasps, and hinges work well. One is missing the piece that covers the spring to seal the jar. Many things would work for that if it matters. No other issues other than appropriate wear. They're both 1 9/16" tall.